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8 hours ago, joefromperry said:

 Blackstone labs analyzed the coolant that had been through the higher temps and said it looked fine.

They also analyzed the Transynd and said it was good, and no need to change it.

I have a suspicion my #6 Big Boy control board is acting up.  The Big Boy itself is clean internally but cold.  When driving after a few hours I can see the house batteries drop ... example to 12.2 and chassis bats are 13.3 with engine running.  No green light on PCB #6.  I press the boost switch and BB clicks and both banks measure about 12.8 to 12.9 and about 50 amps going into the house ( BTW, I don't hold the boost for more than a minute).  After a days driving and then plugged into shore Magnum may be bulk charging the house at 14.1 and chassis at 12.6.( again no green led on #6) press the boost switch and chassis gets an appropriate charging voltage.  Both 7.5 amp fuses on board #6 test good.  I've unplugged & replugged both edge connectors in case they were dirty.  No LEDs on  board #6 light up.

I know Frank is capable of working on this board as indicated by his many posts and test jig such as in thread 

What can I test to verify the problem is with the board and not upstream of the board? And I'm on the road moving every 3-5 days so pulling the board and sending it off isn't doable for a couple of months.  I can likely limp through this "vacation" by running the generator on long driving days and the chassis shouldn't run down too much in 5 days.  But if there's some diagnostics I can do on the road it would be nice to try.

Thanks 

BTW, putting in a ML-ACR could be a solution after I get home in the fall, but that's a long time..

Thanks Richard.  Until a recent post, I didn't even know the data card existed.  I will ask Rev for that tomorrow.  And wiring diagrams if they might supply those... I've found some in the Monacoers archives that have proven to be close in many cases and 100% in many more, so I'm very grateful to you and the other moderators for your efforts to collect, organize and preserve information, as well as share your knowledge and experience. 

Hi when I put the 4 way flashers on at idle it is ok but  while under throttle  engine surges, any ides ? 

For a band aid fix you can get a pair of jumper cables and tie the house and chassis batteries together to keep from running generator.

If you haven't seen it, here is a video of how the circuit board works in terms of which LEDs light based on the remote switch functions for the battery disconnect (salesman switch) and battery boost (iso relay switch).

For the LEDs to light the ignition switch must be turned ON.  If the two fuses are good the two red LEDs will light up.  If the circuit board is detecting that both battery cutoff switches are turned ON, then the lower green LED will be ON.  If this LED is not ON, the board is thinking that one of the battery cutoff switches are turned OFF and it will not energize big boy.

Since my post in July 2023 the Derale cooler failed during a trip, lost 3 gallons of tranny oil, luckily no damage to the transmission.  I reverted back to the original configuration and had to closely watch tranny temps while I made my way back home driving through the CO mountains.  Made it home OK.

First thing I did when I got home was took a sample from the transmission and sent it in to JG Lubrication for analysis.  It came back good so I dodged a bullet.

I did contact Derale, sent them pictures etc and they did honor the warranty and sent me a new cooler but I decided to go a different route.  On the rear radiator coaches Monaco used a different separate cooler mounted behind the engine near the radiator.  I sourced a used cooler from Visione RV and installed it in the rear of the coach drivers side near the engine same location as the Derale I installed.  I completely bypassed the radiator.  I used the fan that came with Derale, it was the same with but only covered ~60% of the cooler I installed but I figured it would work.  I use a Silverleaf monitor and set up  data logging and took the rig on several drives and the cooler kept tranny temps in line with engine temps.   Since the mounting is about the same distance (maybe shorter) then a rear radiator coach I'm not concerned about excessive back pressure. 

It also should be noted that in ~2001 Monaco put out a TSB, see attached, on the potential of cooler failures on certain coaches.  Both cases required transmission replacement.   In the last year I've had calls from two other Monaco owners who had the tranny cooler fail and seeking advise. 

Here's a picture of my set up!

Oct_2002_Instructions_ Technical Service Bulletin 124.pdf

When you contact REV also request a chassis wiring diagram. 

Back ~2015 when I was chasing a electrical problem I contacted Monaco Tech support, still in existence, and requested a wiring diagram, besides the standard wiring diagram the person I talked asked if I also wanted a chassis wiring diagram and I said yes.  I've found it very useful as it is one page that has the entire chassis wiring.  To be able to read it I have to zoom in 800% and then trace lines to see the path of electrical power.   

@jacwjames thanks, good tip!

How many rpm surge we talkin? 25, 100, 500? Does it do the same as lets say turning on the headlights? Or dash ac?

I checked the power steering reservoir and it was bone dry. I couldn’t see any fluid on the ground. 
 

Tomorrow is Monday and I have resigned to have Coach-net tow it to Josams in the morning. 
 

I’ll keep everyone up to date on what they find. 

This is not a "latch" problem. I think it is a broken or jammed aft hydraulic gas hinge. I guess if this is the case, there are few options to get in there. I have tried airing down, all manner of "leveling" options, and driving the rear wheels up on a curb. All to "rack" the chassis around. Nothing.

Thanks - Dan

the surge is about 500 rpm only does it with the flashers , ac does not affect it or the lights 

14 hours ago, MIRIAM said:

......the power flickered (later learned it was NOT just in RV, but in the actual host house on the property) and, while everything is 'fine' and working normal, I happened to notice the red light on the progressive industries 50a surge protector is LIGHTLY illuminating, but not very bright like the green and blue are, but it's there. 

Following . . . . Anyone want to address the lightly illuminating red light?

- bob

Do a temporary jumper to keep the batteries fully charged while driving. Then when parked and hooked to shore or generator power, use a small 5 amp portable 120 VAC battery charger to keep your chassis batteries fully charged. Make sure to plug it into an outlet powered by your inverter.

My coach came with a small battery charger in the battery compartment that some previous owner installed. So obviously something must not be right with the charging circuits. It will be removed once I have the Blue Seas ML-ACR fully installed.

needing some one to replace the oil pan gasket Thanks Mike

Any decent mechanic can do that kind of work.

Just clean, empty the oil, take off the bolts, pry the pan off, clean all mounting surfaces, put new gaskets on, put all bolts on loosely, torque bolts with a star pattern to a bit more than snug and that's it.

@MIRIAM

What is the model number of the PI device plugged into the pedestal?

Your Surge Guard 40350RVC Transfer Switch is an excellent one providing you have the remote display that shows how well your power pedestal is performing. It does not talk to the Aladdin System though if you have that on your coach.

14 hours ago, gjh2916 said:

I'm going to test my battery maintainer tomorrow, I found the testing procedure for Lambert LE-415. Also has anyone used a Xantrex Digal Echo Charge New (To Us) 2016 Diplomat 43DF
dl_racing427 18 hours ago

I don't know what you paid, but you seem to have a very good dealer, who is taking care of all the issues with your coach.
Sounds like you'll have a great experience, and have a relatively trouble-free coach when you take delivery.

mobile mechanic in the spokane Wa or northern idaho
Gary 05 AMB DST 18 hours ago

AHHH, to be young again!

Gary05AMBDST

Replacement bulb
David Pratt 18 hours ago

The Monaco Part Number is #16620608 and the vendor part number is #46081CT804.

I have included a couple of vendors you might try, go here;

engine surges with 4 way flashers
Benjamin 17 hours ago

I love this kind of question!  Is your 8.3 a 12 valve with an inline bosch pump? or the 24 valve ISC with the CAPS pump?  Is the engine actually speeding up and slowing down with the flashers, or is it just the tachometer?

New (To Us) 2016 Diplomat 43DF
Chuck-Kathy_Orlando 16 hours ago

1 hour ago, dl_racing427 said:

I don't know what you paid, but you seem to have a very good dealer, who is taking care of all the issues with your coach.
Sounds like you'll have a great experience, and have a relatively trouble-free coach when you take delivery.

Thanks David.   I do hope that the rest of the systems work well for a nice long time.   At least, we have some recent experience with our previous gas rig that we had to do some post COVID repairs on since it was a 2022, but had a few of those 'get it out the door regardless of quality' issues.

I'm hoping to be able to get with the previous owner and have them give me the 'real' deal on how to run this coach since he's local and is the original owner when he bought it new in 2016.

1 hour ago, dl_racing427 said:

I don't know what you paid, but you seem to have a very good dealer, who is taking care of all the issues with your coach.
Sounds like you'll have a great experience, and have a relatively trouble-free coach when you take delivery.

Rzv Salvage Websites-beware of photos
Preston W 16 hours ago

Yes, you can't judge from the outside. I've heard about several units burned because of the fridge fire. Glad I had the Norcold fix applied to our coach.

New (To Us) 2016 Diplomat 43DF
96 EVO 16 hours ago

2 hours ago, dl_racing427 said:

I don't know what you paid, but you seem to have a very good dealer, who is taking care of all the issues with your coach.
Sounds like you'll have a great experience, and have a relatively trouble-free coach when you take delivery.

Yeah, I tried to get my dealer to replace the boot's before I picked up the coach, but they turned me down!

Look's like the original's would have been about 6yrs old at that time.

Surge protector questions. Locations? Hard wired vs Pedestal plug in? Discussion and advice needed.
MIRIAM 16 hours ago

3 hours ago, cbr046 said:

Following . . . . Anyone want to address the lightly illuminating red light?

- bob

You have the same issue, Bob?  It's the craziest thing - I took photos and just not really reflective in photos.  The other 2 lights are bright and the red is lit, just not bright like you'd think and yet lit enough to know it's not backlighting - I have tried everything - and - everything works perfectly.  I'm going to get a new surge protector (just to check) and even change my cord plug, but that's the only 2 things I haven't done.  

2006 H/R endeavor auto steps
Doug and Nicki 16 hours ago

Many of these RV's used a Ford power window motor for a 1990 Taurus. I am getting one tomorrow. The part number for my Monaco is ACI83683. Not sure if this is the right number for you, but points you in a direction This could also just be a wiring problem or a control box problem. You can inspect it by airing up the front end and taking a look. Be careful to not get caught in the steps if they decide to actuate.

Surge protector questions. Locations? Hard wired vs Pedestal plug in? Discussion and advice needed.
cbr046 15 hours ago

14 minutes ago, MIRIAM said:

You have the same issue, Bob?  It's the craziest thing - I took photos and just not really reflective in photos.  The other 2 lights are bright and the red is lit, just not bright like you'd think and yet lit enough to know it's not backlighting - I have tried everything - and - everything works perfectly.  I'm going to get a new surge protector (just to check) and even change my cord plug, but that's the only 2 things I haven't done.  

Not having that issue but I believe I have the same surge protector. 

What does your manual say?

- bob

Surge protector questions. Locations? Hard wired vs Pedestal plug in? Discussion and advice needed.
MIRIAM 15 hours ago

3 hours ago, Dr4Film said:

@MIRIAM

What is the model number of the PI device plugged into the pedestal?

Your Surge Guard 40350RVC Transfer Switch is an excellent one providing you have the remote display that shows how well your power pedestal is performing. It does not talk to the Aladdin System though if you have that on your coach.

Hi 👋🏻 - I have the SSP-50XL - I felt it was sufficient for the pedestal with my ATS/SP onboard hardwired and really use it to test the pedestal before I plug in....just extra layer of caution. 

My set up - 50 to 30 adapter plugged into pedestal with my SP plugged to that adapter then my cord reel plugged to SP.

First photo is from standing up - blue and green bright with red not really noticeable until you're direct (eye level) and it looks illuminated (2nd photo) and looks brighter in the photo than in person.

all outlets (everything) works like normal.  The red light just makes me nervous and I'm not one to just "oh, it's fine" to find out it's not (overthinker) so I've reset EVERYTHING - breakers inside, outside, changed 50/30 adapter reset genny breaker....nothing stopped the red.

I checked my magnum remote in my electrical bay and all good there.  I even slid the genny out to reset those breakers because I THINK it started when the power flickered (not related to our coach and house on property flickered - host confirmed)  when it flickered, the AGS kicked genny on, but I shut it down not needed.  I went and disabled my AGS just in case anyway.

I've read magnum 

Hydraulic leak, bedroom slideout, 05 Dynasty Countess
granvillebarker 15 hours ago

On 6/22/2024 at 11:03 AM, Tom Cherry said:

Without being an antagonist, the procedure of a slide removal is simple.  Disconnect all mechanical devices, such as the slide cylinders” and then all the umbilical items such as 120 VAC, 12 VDC, Water, Sewer, Speaker (if equipped), Coaxial (if equipped) and Intellitec (if equipped) data buss.

This slide has 120v, 12v, water, and sewer.

On 6/22/2024 at 11:03 AM, Tom Cherry said:

However, the fundamental question remains.  Where are the cylinders and are the slide cylinders part of the slide or are they mounted on the body.  That varies.  There is always a “third cylinder” for each slide….in use to equalize or synchronize the extension or retraction.  

It's an HWH space saver slide, the cylinders are vertical at the bottom of the mechanism where it mounts on the wall.

On 6/22/2024 at 11:03 AM, Tom Cherry said:

... then after 4 hours of pulling off the cabinets and countertops, removal was not necessary.  I was there and watched….with high anxiety. Yes..SOME CW do have good folks.

The interior wood work removal  was a 4 hour job by an expert with 30 years experience and had been “checked out” by some local references, including the ex GM of a HR dealership that had tried on several occasions to hire him. The tech had a fulltime helper.

Your post helped, I think the sink cabinet will need to be removed to get good access to that cylinder.   I would either have to cut part of the cabinet to get it out over the drain pipe or cut the drain pipe for the sink.   It looks like they added the drain pipes after the cabinet.  

I think I will first try to cut an access hole in the back of of the corner cabinet to see if I can get sufficient access to the bottom of the cylinder and make a new fake back for that cabinet.

Thanks for the pointers!

 

Any tips for avoiding the mess from the transmission fluid?  

Here are some pictures for more context.   One shows the cabinet, one shows the cylinder in the hole behind the cabinet, and the other shows the cylinder up close at other end of the slide.

Surge protector questions. Locations? Hard wired vs Pedestal plug in? Discussion and advice needed.
cbr046 15 hours ago

Looks like an open neutral.  Maybe it's a resistive neutral.  What does it show with coach unplugged?

- bob

Surge protector questions. Locations? Hard wired vs Pedestal plug in? Discussion and advice needed.
96 EVO 15 hours ago

Red's don't look illuminated to me 🤔!

I would think if it actually sensed a open neutral condition, it wouldn't allow power to your coach!

That's the way my older PI EMS works.

engine surges with 4 way flashers
Mike Farquharson 15 hours ago

8.3 12 valve inline pump and motor does go up and down ,     Thanks Mike

Is this a REAL Big Boy? Help with ID and Troubleshooting. Thanks.
gjh2916 15 hours ago

My battery maintainer is defective that's why my chassis battery is not staying charged when plugged into shore power. I just had another thought other than the Blue Seas or Xantrex Echo. Buy a weatherproof NOCO 5amp smart charger, plug it into the duplex Block Heat outlet, unplug block heater which I never use. Then control the NOCO charger with Dash block heat switch. Anyone see any problems with this application.

Surge protector questions. Locations? Hard wired vs Pedestal plug in? Discussion and advice needed.
MIRIAM 14 hours ago

31 minutes ago, cbr046 said:

Not having that issue but I believe I have the same surge protector. 

What does your manual say?

- bob

I searched and couldn't find the 40350-RVC manual; however, did find troubleshooting and nothing matched.  That said, I don't even really have a 'problem' except that pesky red light illuminates when I plugged in my cable. Not there if just pedestal to portable surge protector - but lights (some) when I plug in my cord.  Making me nuts!

32 minutes ago, 96 EVO said:

Red's don't look illuminated to me 🤔!

I showed the property owners (they were over chatting) and said the same thing, BUT they are....and, clear as day when at eye level - making me feel gaslit a bit.....

41 minutes ago, cbr046 said:

Looks like an open neutral.  Maybe it's a resistive neutral.  What does it show with coach unplugged?

- bob

It does say that description "blue on red on" on the front of the unit - but, the red is  just not bright like the other two light, yet it's definitely lit.  With coach unplugged - no red.  I'm going to take a photo later; it's 93 outside now and high humidity, so don't want to unplug the coach while we need AC and I'm doing laundry. (Story of my life)

Firestone Intelliride Parts
RVerBob 14 hours ago

Get a hold of DriveRite in Ireland, they were working on a ECU work around.

Last time I talked to them they said they were close.

Firestone Intelliride Parts
FrankG 14 hours ago

Will try them. Thank you

Surge protector questions. Locations? Hard wired vs Pedestal plug in? Discussion and advice needed.
cbr046 14 hours ago

OK, so we know the problem isn't upstream (campground side).

Here's a shot in the dark:  When it cools off, or better yet early tomorrow morning, unplug your coach from shore and turn your generator off.  Do you have AGS?  If so disable it. 

Pull the cover off your 40350-RVC Transfer Switch and re-torque the lugs where the feed cables connect to the relays.  Re-tighten all lugs (as in back them off and re-tighten).  I forget the torque, but it's about as much as you can do with a screwdriver (square tip). 

Make sure your inverter is off and do the same with the distribution panel inside the coach - feed cables only. 

Re-install all covers, plug in the coach and see if that nailed it. 

An alternative would be to "borrow" someone elses surge protector.  Another owner might be hesitant to let you do that. 

- bob

engine surges with 4 way flashers
Benjamin 14 hours ago

You got to be kidding me! I'm shocked the engine could actually rev and slow down that fast. The only thing on that engine that could possibly do this is the shut off solenoid, the cruise control, the alternator, or the transmission.  If there's no transmission codes, and the battery voltage is not also dancing along with the flashers, then I'm thinking cruise or shut off solenoid.  The cruise can be disabled by removing the wire, or shutting off the vacuum pump, to see if the surge goes away.  The shut off solenoid can be removed, and then pull up on the arm by hand to shut off the engine after testing. 

The only other thing I can think of are if you have any gas pedal linkage that's not mechanical, or if there is any cold start aid mounted on your intake manifold, like an ether start or flame start.  Those are all wacky land guess, but that's a wacky land problem.  Can't wait to hear what you find. 

Firestone Intelliride Parts
FredCam 14 hours ago

This is the guy I have contacted here in the U.S. for parts and help with my system.

Daniel Nordmeyer
Cell: +1 317 513 5823

 

Build Sheet? Need more info!!
PeterSchweizer 13 hours ago

17 hours ago, Dr4Film said:

That is your build sheet.

Possibly you asked for the wrong information.

You need to specifically ask for the Data Card. REV sent me mine for the 06 Dynasty one day after asking for it.

When n what department who did you ask? Seems when I contact Rev by phone,customer service or tec support  the say the do not support the older Monoco company coaches mine is 2004.  The information is not in there present system but on an arrived? Mico fish system that Rev  will not allow them to access. Also if I send an inquiry via Revs web site I get no responce.

Firestone Intelliride Parts
FrankG 13 hours ago

Thanks for the contact   Will call him 

Surge protector questions. Locations? Hard wired vs Pedestal plug in? Discussion and advice needed.
MIRIAM 13 hours ago

38 minutes ago, cbr046 said:

OK, so we know the problem isn't upstream (campground side).

Here's a shot in the dark:  When it cools off, or better yet early tomorrow morning, unplug your coach from shore and turn your generator off.  Do you have AGS?  If so disable it. 

Pull the cover off your 40350-RVC Transfer Switch and re-torque the lugs where the feed cables connect to the relays.  Re-tighten all lugs (as in back them off and re-tighten).  I forget the torque, but it's about as much as you can do with a screwdriver (square tip). 

Make sure your inverter is off and do the same with the distribution panel inside the coach - feed cables only. 

Re-install all covers, plug in the coach and see if that nailed it. 

An alternative would be to "borrow" someone elses surge protector.  Another owner might be hesitant to let you do that. 

- bob

When you say 'turn generator off' - not to sound stupid, but could you clarify because it's not running and I did disable my AGS yesterday, so good there.  Do you mean the switch on the generator (beside start) that is the on/off for the 35amp switch?  (I saw that today and switched it while trying to reset)  so that I can do.  Then, I can go to tighten the suggested wires and that's an easy try, so worth a shot.  I may wait until Wednesday because I ordered a new surge protector (same one) from Amazon and figured that could be something and worth a shot, too.  It will be here Wednesday.  

What I also think I may try....I have a 50 to 30 amp extension cord (bought for last place I had 30)  -- so, reeling my cable back into the bay (not that length matters just because no sense in being out of it doesn't need to be) - then, connecting the 50/30 extension and putting a 30amp surge on that end before it's connected to pedestal.  I just thought that might be overkill (which I'm certainly not above And I have a tendency to do HAHA)

I'll try anything....I'll check back when I have had the chance to try the mentions.

Head light fuse keeps blowing
Steven 53 13 hours ago

I'm back to tell what I have done to get my headlights working. Thanks to Tom for the phone call. After running a separate fused wire to both relays I now have hb/lb working went for test drive to get propane filled for trip. Back at storage lot decided to make a permanent repair and ordered a back lit hb/lb rocker switch and USB plugs also got a piece of abs and make a panel. Took out dash vent that had hose removed so I was a dud and put panel there. Still have to pull headlights switch 1/2 way to get other lights to come on. While running the new wiring to new panel I found a piece of note paper down in wiring mess showing headlights switch plug so as you can see there's been a problem long before I owned this mh probably smart wheel. Going to try to post pic's. That's for all the help down for now but not out. Going to figure out this fall. 

Surge protector questions. Locations? Hard wired vs Pedestal plug in? Discussion and advice needed.
Dr4Film 12 hours ago

2 hours ago, 96 EVO said:

Red's don't look illuminated to me 🤔!

I would think if it actually sensed a open neutral condition, it wouldn't allow power to your coach!

That's the way my older PI EMS works.

@96 EVO  I agree, the Red LED's don't look lit up at all. A better frontal photo would be beneficial versus one angled from the top.

The SSP-50XL is only a power quality indicator plus surge. It does not provide the protection from the better EMS units. His Surge Guard Transfer Switch model 40350-RVC does provide the protection from errant power conditions but he needs the remote display to actually  see what is happening with the power.

@MIRIAM Do you have the Surge Guard Transfer Switch Remote Display inside your coach?

Also, my guess is that your portable unit took some sort of a power glitch and is not working as it once did previously. That unit is still good for surges but I would not rely on it for anything else. Trust your Transfer Switch for that!

Salesman Switch issues
Russgh 12 hours ago

I have read all the information regarding the salesman switch. Had the problem last night, however the switch will not stay engaged. I want to bypass the solenoid. and just wanted to make sure that this is the salesman switch solenoid in the front bay under the drivers seat in my 03 Diplomat (see photo below).

Confirming that the procedure is to connect or jumper the two red wires and cut one of the small ones. Thanks for your help.

 

Bedroom TV Cabinet
Neil Loveless 12 hours ago

You were correct, I was thinking the same thing but didn't want to damage the buttons to remove them without someone else thinking the same thing.  As it turned out I only had to remove one button (top left front), and the 4" screw it hid and the entire TV and frame swung out like a door, couldn't have been easier, thanks for the suggestion!

 

Salesman Switch issues
Dr4Film 12 hours ago

According to the label on the circuit board that is your Battery Isolator Relay, not your Battery Cut-Off Relay.

The Battery Isolator Relay is used to combine the house and chassis battery banks for charging purposes and to help jump start the engine when the chassis battery gets too low.

You need to find the Battery Cut-Off Relay which is controlled by the useless Salesman Switch at the entry door. Maybe have one person using the switch and another person looking for the relay that is clicking on/off.

Salesman Switch issues
Tom Cherry 11 hours ago

16 minutes ago, Dr4Film said:

According to the label on the circuit board that is your Battery Isolator Relay, not your Battery Cut-Off Relay.

The Battery Isolator Relay is used to combine the house and chassis battery banks for charging purposes and to help jump start the engine when the chassis battery gets too low.

You need to find the Battery Cut-Off Relay which is controlled by the useless Salesman Switch at the entry door. Maybe have one person using the switch and another person looking for the relay that is clicking on/off.

Richard beat me to it.  Unfortunately Monaco did not provide a 2003 Diplomat manual online.The relay is a funky looking relay or was.  It may (should) have a Fuse in the top.  Notice that the Battery Boost or Aux Start relay has 2 control wires.  The typical Salesman Solenoid has THREE control wires.  I would look in sections 8 and 9 and see there is a pictorial or diagram with location.

EDIT….perseverance and curiosity are curses…..

Surge protector questions. Locations? Hard wired vs Pedestal plug in? Discussion and advice needed.
Tom Cherry 11 hours ago

OK….back to basics….

READ THE Progressive Manual

Salesman Switch issues
Russgh 10 hours ago

Thanks for the quick responses. Tom you sain it was a funky looking relay, could it be the one in the picture below? I also i04ncluded a picture of the electrical layout in my 2004 owners manual. I have 2003 and 2004 manuals. If that is the relay then it looks nothing like picture. Any ideas on how to bypass it? 

Surge protector questions. Locations? Hard wired vs Pedestal plug in? Discussion and advice needed.
Tom Cherry 10 hours ago

3 hours ago, MIRIAM said:

I searched and couldn't find the 40350-RVC manual; however, did find troubleshooting and nothing matched.  That said, I don't even really have a 'problem' except that pesky red light illuminates when I plugged in my cable. Not there if just pedestal to portable surge protector - but lights (some) when I plug in my cord.  Making me nuts!

I showed the property owners (they were over chatting) and said the same thing, BUT they are....and, clear as day when at eye level - making me feel gaslit a bit.....

It does say that description "blue on red on" on the front of the unit - but, the red is  just not bright like the other two light, yet it's definitely lit.  With coach unplugged - no red.  I'm going to take a photo later; it's 93 outside now and high humidity, so don't want to unplug the coach while we need AC and I'm doing laundry. (Story of my life)

Read this.  This gives you ALL the specs on the ATS.  40350-RVC

 

YES….your Surge Suppressor ATS does have OPEN Neutral Protection.  See page 12.  As .Richard said, it would be GOOD to have the remote monitor.  Then you could check and understand.

NOW….we are getting somewhere.  The Progressive you have is somewhat redundant.  It MAY provide more or supplemental protection or NOT or might not be recommended.

I can’t answer that and neither can all the “experts” I talked to many years ago.

THE BEST approach.  Call Southwire.  Ask for Tech Support.  Tell them…I have the 40350-RVC.  I’m a WORRIER.  I want to double up proetection….I am considering buying a 35550 plug in pedestal protector.  
 

Will that give me MORE protection?  I have been told it might conflict??

Is it OK to buy one and use both?  Will i have more protection? Will they conflict?

What is Southwire’s OFFICIAL POSITION on doubling up??

THEN YOU WILL KNOW….post what they say.

Based on what your ATS says it will do….if you unplugged the Progressive, then the ATS should not give you power as the Pedestal is the problem….you KNOW THAT from the lights….

Salesman Switch issues
Dr4Film 10 hours ago

@Russgh your first post had a photo of the solenoid that is pictured next to the chassis batteries in the schematic you just posted. The solenoid you are looking for is in the schematic next to the 12 volt interior lights.

Salesman Switch issues
Tom Cherry 10 hours ago

20 minutes ago, Russgh said:

Thanks for the quick responses. Tom you sain it was a funky looking relay, could it be the one in the picture below? I also i04ncluded a picture of the electrical layout in my 2004 owners manual. I have 2003 and 2004 manuals. If that is the relay then it looks nothing like picture. Any ideas on how to bypass it? 

NOPE.  That is a Bosch 5 Pin relay.  There are many of them all over.  The Salesman SOLENOID is rated at 80 to 100 AMPs.  If you have the INTELLITEC, it looks like this one….  The semantics confuses folks.  A Bosch relay is small.  It has 5 pins.  It plugs in.  This is all covered in your manuals….read 8 & 9. The Bosch, TYPICALLY comes with 20 Amp contacts. There is a HD one that will handle 30A.

A Solenoid is for higher  amps and will have STUDS for large cable connectors. The Intellitec is rated for 100A.  It is 1200 Watts. Amps (100) TIMES Volts (12) equals watts.  So, since it is 1200 watts, I know it is a 100 Amp rated device.

See the fuses…..they are the key.  NOW, I have NO IDEA what brand your SOLENOID will be…. Trombetta or White Rodgers were two brands.  OK…look at the print.  On the right side…middle is a SOLENOID….to the right of it there is a box called 12 V Interior Lights. That Latching Solenoid is what you are looking for…

Find it.  Chase the cables on either side.  I can tell you this….assuming you have a VOM.  One side (the HOUSE) side, will have voltage.  It will be the exact voltage as the House batteries.  When the solenoid is latched OFF, there will be NO VOLTAGE on the other stud.

You need to have someone cycle the switch.  Listen and then  put your hand on the “can”.  You will feel it cycle.  That is the one to bypass by moving one cable to the other side or jumpering with the NAPA short jumper.

 

 

 

Surge protector questions. Locations? Hard wired vs Pedestal plug in? Discussion and advice needed.
96 EVO 10 hours ago

You may be better off just using your portable to check the pedestal, then leave it out, and trust the Surge Guard to protect the coach.

I use a portable P.I EMS, but I don't have a surge suppressing ATS behind it.

 

Salesman Switch issues
Russgh 9 hours ago

Richard thanks for the photo. That solenoid looks a lot like the my first first photo of the one in the front bay. The attached photo is of the solenoid in the battery compartment and appears to be connected between the batteries and it is a Trombetta. When it cools off a bit more tonight I will attempt a test of the switch to determine which one it is and report back.

engine surges with 4 way flashers
Rikadoo 9 hours ago

Well perhaps a 💩ground might, i find sooooo many bizar issues connected to a “poor ground” but i will say being a technition for the years i have been working on things is “ there finding new ways to fail”

Surge protector questions. Locations? Hard wired vs Pedestal plug in? Discussion and advice needed.
MIRIAM 8 hours ago

4 hours ago, Dr4Film said:

@96 EVO  I agree, the Red LED's don't look lit up at all. A better frontal photo would be beneficial versus one angled from the top.

The SSP-50XL is only a power quality indicator plus surge. It does not provide the protection from the better EMS units. His Surge Guard Transfer Switch model 40350-RVC does provide the protection from errant power conditions but he needs the remote display to actually  see what is happening with the power.

@MIRIAM Do you have the Surge Guard Transfer Switch Remote Display inside your coach?

Also, my guess is that your portable unit took some sort of a power glitch and is not working as it once did previously. That unit is still good for surges but I would not rely on it for anything else. Trust your Transfer Switch for that!

Hi guys - I thought the same and it's really odd because you can see it so much brighter straight on.  I thought I had a photo of both, so here is the one at eye level again. You can see the red - but - it's just not bright like the other two (looks brighter in the photo than in person) 

considering i have no power issue, so the portable (progressive industries) surge protector is allowing power to pass - and - the internal ATS/Surge Guard (which checks for open neutral) is good to go, I'm debating if my PI SP is just time to replace.  I think it's a 2016 anyway.  (Came with coach from original owner)  I just wonder if the blip yesterday was enough to kiss it goodbye. (If not at least I'll know)

thanks for helping me think through.  Im a worrier, for sure, and rather be safe than sorry.

 

1 hour ago, 96 EVO said:

You may be better off just using your portable to check the pedestal, then leave it out, and trust the Surge Guard to protect the coach.

I use a portable P.I EMS, but I don't have a surge suppressing ATS behind it.

 

That's a good idea, but I was just told it needs to have a load, so I would have to plug by cord into the PI SP, right?  (Maybe I misunderstood)  I almost got the PI EMS, but opted for this one (again) because I have the surge guard built in already.... same thing.

Surge protector questions. Locations? Hard wired vs Pedestal plug in? Discussion and advice needed.
96 EVO 8 hours ago

4 minutes ago, MIRIAM said:

 

 

That's a good idea, but I was just told it needs to have a load, so I would have to plug by cord into the PI SP, right?  (Maybe I misunderstood)  I almost got the PI EMS, but opted for this one (again) because I have the surge guard built in already.... same thing.

No, it doesn't need a load to tell you if the pedestal is wired correctly!

Mine has a digital readout. Checks pedestal wiring, then transfers power to the coach. When I add a load, it will tell me what the voltage drops to on each leg. Voltage drops below something like 104V, it kills power to the coach.

I believe your Surge Guard ATS does the same.

Surge protector questions. Locations? Hard wired vs Pedestal plug in? Discussion and advice needed.
Bill R 8 hours ago

9 minutes ago, MIRIAM said:

Hi guys - I thought the same and it's really odd because you can see it so much brighter straight on.

Maybe look at the lights at night when it is dark outside to confirm the red light is illuminated by the bulb and not a reflective pseudo illumination.

M100 Shepard steering box leak at vent hole
jillandjackie 8 hours ago

where did you all find the seal rebuild kits for these? 

engine surges with 4 way flashers
Bill R 7 hours ago

11 hours ago, Mike Farquharson said:

the surge is about 500 rpm only does it with the flashers , ac does not affect it or the lights 

Are you saying this happens while in D or N?  If in D, does the RPM surge happen while remaining in the same gear and the coach accelerates?  Or is the surge RPM a result of the transmission down shifting?  If it downshifts, does the coach then accelerate?

New (To Us) 2016 Diplomat 43DF
Chuck-Kathy_Orlando 7 hours ago

As a follow up to my original post, I had the pleasure to speak with the previous owner of our new rig this afternoon.   He gave me the 'low down' on this coach,  and his reason for selling (which he really didn't want to do, but with the loss of his wife, it was time to move on to something smaller).  

It was GREAT to hear his experience and history as being the original owner.   He gave me more confidence and we are more excited to get it, later this week or this upcoming weekend, and getting our first time to get out on the road.

Additionally, he told me that he would be more than happy to meet with me after we pick it up from the dealership and he will spend time with me going over all the systems and his suggestions of how he managed various functions.  He answered a lot of questions about my initial questions and what we can expect going forward.

I really hope that we truly found a nice diamond in the rough!

engine surges with 4 way flashers
Ivan K 7 hours ago

I'd check around the throttle pedal wiring connector or if it has a grounding wire to same bar as the flasher that could have some issues. I would imagine the throttle wires go directly to ECM but maybe some sort of isolation damage. Since the idle is stable, it would be interesting if you had a way to see Throttle Position reading or at least engine power percentage.

engine surges with 4 way flashers
Benjamin 6 hours ago

12 valve 8.3 with an inline mechanical injection pump (I hope it's a cummins!), it won't have an ECM, external shut off solenoid only, any electronic or air throttle would be external just like a the vacuum cruise control this should have.

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