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10 hours ago, JDCrow said:

Yep

Omg that is bad

On my  toilet it was almost impossible to tighten the water line going to the toilet.  I finally bought a wire braided hose with the correct ends from Lowes.  Now I put a loop in it and attache the hose before I set the toilet back in place. 

With a soft floor that is flexing about the only way to fix is tear it out.   Fix it right the first time so I'd tear it out until you get to good wood.  If the soft spot goes under a wall it might extend into the next room.   If any area isn't completely gone you might get by with using a wood hardener, Lowes/Home Depot carry this product. 

My coach had two layers of 5/8" chip OSB type plywood.  Once water gets it the OSB pretty much crumbles.  I had to replace a 4'X6' piece behind the passenger seat.  Cut it out to good wood and used a 3/4" piece of treated plywood that I painted with an exterior primer.  I used splice plates underneath to mate old/new, screwed up from the bottom and then just ground off the part that penetrated the old floor, this firmed everything up.  I then found an exteriror siding of the correct thickness to make up the difference, this was very dense. 

I then laid new LVP except in the kitchen and bath area, turned into a pretty big job but decided to bite the bullet and try and do it right.  Here's a thread showing what I did.  

I have a 1994 Monaco Dynasty which all the dash gauges except for the speedo, turbo boost and air pressure gauge work intermittently. When the gauges go out the Pac brake, jacks and 12V outlet also don't work. Initially when I hit a bump they would come back on but now a bump in the road does nothing. Any thoughts?

Bad ground connection. Redo all of your connections making sure there is no corrosion and the connection is clean and solid. Start at the front and work your way towards the rear.

3 minutes ago, Dr4Film said:

Bad ground connection. Start at the front and redo all of your connections making sure there is no corrosion and the connection is clean and solid.

Thank you for the fast response!

27 minutes ago, Frank McElroy said:

In 1984 Monaco bought Roadmaster Chassis from Chrysler Corp. Roadmaster was a chassis division that Chrysler opened mid-1980s to design a chassis for a commercial bus/coach that they planned to build. They changed their plan and sold off the division including the chassis to Monaco. Monaco used the Roadmaster chassis line for the Beavers until the end of production in 2009.

Here is a link to the history.

 

This is truly an amaziing history of our “coaches”.  There are two points or perhaps one and a “sidebar” that I know is true.  Documented the the Navistar annual reports as well as EPA and DOT press releases. I knew most of this, but had never seen it recapped.

The Purchase price ($47 M) is correct or was verified by the conversations of the Monaco “Dealer’s Council” group.  They also commented that the receiver’s purchase price seemed very low.  At this time, Navistar also received a grant (US Government….purportedly EPA and DOT combined).  NOW…in keeping with the site’s rules….comments or such on that and/Or criticism which might morph into “political” discussions are not permitted.

The grant was to develop and build a sustainable Fedex Electric “Package” delivery truck…or an EV Fedex Truck.  That grant was in the $75 - $125 Million range.  Googling will provide additional information about that project.  The point, Monaco was considered as a REAL bargain and an ideal “fit” to expand Navistar.  It also provided a large market for the MAXXFORCE engines as well as an “in-house” testing and development arrangement.  A very logical business model.

Unfortunately, the MaxxForce was plagued with technology issues and the EPA later fined Navistar a significant amount.  The exact number and the “specifics” are hard to research.  But, effectively, there was a “fine” between say $5,000 and perhaps as much as $10,000 PER ENGINE SOLD and Installed in a titled vehicle.  Obviously that had an impact and Navistar had to reconsider it’s business model and ALLIED (REV) became the owner of the OLD Monaco.

NOW…the following is based on conversations with ex Monaco employees and also, again, former Monaco dealers.  REV has, and uses the “Roadmaster” Chassis trademark.  The first models were “dubbed” in the sales brochures as “New Roadmaster”. You can download them from MonacoCoach.com (memory…I have a permanent link to the site).  It was BELIEVED by many Ex Monaco employees, in Oregon, that REV owned the assets and intellectual property and trademarks of ALL of Monaco.  This history reads differently.

What is NOT included is the “fate” of the ACTUAL Roadmaster Chassis.  So…there are two scenarios….as to OWNERSHIP, but here is what actually happened.  As well as the “Tax and Financial Accounting” laws.

An entity, Navistar or REV….but, they BOTH AGREED, totally DESTROYED all the physical or Capital assets of the Roadmaster Chassis “production” entity.  All tooling and manufacturing equipment was segregated in the factory.  All WIP (Work In Progress) chassises were moved to this location.  ALL NEW components that were dedicated to the chassis were moved.  All “spare parts” or those sold as replacement parts to a dealer were purged from the “stock room”.  These were bearings, air bags, bushings, etc.  Many Chassis “shops” across the country TRIED to purchase or were willing to place bids on these items.  NOPE!

The ONLY item excluded was the “axles” and that was later defined as the Differential…and perhaps the TAG axle. There were ongoing negotiations with Dana to pay a restocking charge and recoup say, 75% of the purchase price.  It is BELIEVED that Dana declined.

This entire “area” of the factory or a giant “yard sale looking” conglomeration was secured.  The internal financial auditors and the external auditors (“suits” as they were called) presided over this area.  Navistar employees that were involved in “Financial Asset Control” were retained.  WHY??

The NAME “ROADMASTER” has a a prescribed “GOODWILL” value.  That is an ASSET…usually very HIGH.  The physical assets, Machinery that has been deprecated is a Capital Asset.  The WIP items are assets.  Bottom LINE.  ONE entity plans a massive TAX WRITE OFF.  In order for that write off to be approved in the Annual Report…due to the magnitude, the entity’s external auditor has to be involved.  The exact value is calculated to the penny.  The assets are photographed or videoed.  Thus, every item involved or even remotely involved in the manufacturing of the Roadmaster Chassis is accounted for….as well as the components.

The control protocols call for the auditors to accompany the “rolloff’s” of scrap containers to a recycling facility.  They are labeled.  Then the auditors stay on site at the recyler and make sure everything is crushed or destroyed.  

Once that is done….then the “GOODWILL” writeoff as well as the “Physical assets” writeoff will be allowed.  This is COMMONLY done.  In my career, I was involved in at least 2….would have been a third…but I had been trying to sell the entire line to an offshore competitor.  Our writeoff was around $250K.  That was included in the project justification.  At the last minute, I had a bid of $500K…and negotiated to $750K.  WE JUMPED ON IT.  That was a NET SWING of ONE MILLION DOLLARS…..to our bottom line. My “untiring” efforts to improve the company’s P&L were noted and my bonus was reflective of that.  In all honesty, a friend and ex boss, had designed and  built snd started it up and was the plant manager.  He was distraught and gave me all the insight into it and really wanted it to live and prosper..  I found the right used equipment agent and he came through and I negotiated a higher amount.

THUS..l KNOW as I had to help document the process and also work with an external auditor….so, technically, I have done three.

NOW…did REV get the writeoff for destroying the Roadmaster chassis and then used the NEW ROADMASTER TM??  Did Navistar, as was often done….decide to take all the losses in one year….??  Don’t know.  Everyone that commented said it was the NEW OWNER….but maybe Navistar.

Bottom line….there is NO equipment left to manufacture the ORIGINAL Roadmaster chassis.  That is a fact… and all the intellectual property is REV’s and one can’t duplicate it nor sell it….

Hi I have a holiday rambler and have taken my  rv to several shop and they can't figure out the problem , I have replaced the modulator  but still no power to the control panel check all the obvious fuse is there a hidden fuse someplace I might have missed  thank for the help

Thank you. Not wanting to buy another set this is what I did. The adjuster for up down was unhooked inside the housing.  I glued the lamp in the highest position and the unit reinstalled.  It was just a little low so I put a spacer in the lower anchor point. All good.  BTW the drivers side was perfect after install without adjustment. Who knew.

R

It would help to know if you have hydraulic jacks or air leveling?

YES and NO.  You have a Battery BOOST Solenoid.  ALL Monaco's DO.  Yours is the Trombetta.  White-Rodgers was also used...maybe some other brands.

NOW....when Monaco started using the Intellitec System, then the NAME BIG BOY was applied (or was the Solenoid) so a vast majority call the BOOST a Big Boy.  Like saying that all tissues are Kleenex.

Here is the print.  

That Solenoid has TWO functions.  The White Rodgers Solenoid does the SAME THING.  It connects the banks together.  ONE when you PRESS and HOLD the Batt Boost Switch up front.  The OTHER...for CHARGING....

OK...NOW is where it GETS TRICKY.  There is SOME type of "Charging Control" circuit.  But the prints that we have are not complete and Monaco did NOT do a good job on what they gave out.

Your BLOCK diagram has the SOLENOID between the TWO BATTERIES.  Trombetta.  (or maybe White Rodgers....it was dealer's Choice).

OK...now read what is on page 213....  The first three or four sentences (Monaco will NOT let me copy from their PDF) say it all.  You have a BIRD (BiDirectional Charing System).  When you DRIVE....the House is Charged.  When you are parked and on AC or Genny, the Chassis is charged. 

NOW...what does this?  Probably an Intellitec part.  It MAY be in the black panel that you have to open.  It probably looks like this...

2005 - 2007 maybe higher AUX starting Solenoid Print.pdf

Probably bad ground as Dr4Film said. Sometimes hard to find and just easier to run a new ground wire.

Thank you.

Tom, with respect, the old info in the thread was outdated and my bringing this to the table actually sparked interest.  I looked up old info this should not be a warning memo. Only thing that happened was I put it under the wrong topic and acknowledge same after doing and apologized for not knowing how to rectify.  The info for CARB is now updated and clarified because of my post. There is no need to reprimand as if I handed in the wrong homework assignment. Sorry for the sarcastic tone but... 

You probably have multiple air leaks and your aux compressor is not working.  

For now lower the coach all the way down first, then level it.  

Its in the shop now and waiting for parts. Once finished I will have a better understanding of whats been going on.

They say 2 weeks,,

In an effort to recharge my starting batteries quickly, I engaged the switch the connects that connects the chassis battery with the coach battery (the one that helps you start the coach when the starting battery needs help).  I guess that's called the battery boost switch.  Anyway, something got lodged under it and kept it engaged and now it won't work.  It used to light up when engaged, but not any more, and it doesn't connect the 2 systems anymore.  I can't find a schematic that shows it.  I can't find a fuse for it (I probably don't recognize what it is called) and need help troubleshooting it.  Help.

Dave

2005 HR Scepter.

2 hours ago, Joel Sheriff said:

Tom, with respect, the old info in the thread was outdated and my bringing this to the table actually sparked interest.  I looked up old info this should not be a warning memo. Only thing that happened was I put it under the wrong topic and acknowledge same after doing and apologized for not knowing how to rectify.  The info for CARB is now updated and clarified because of my post. There is no need to reprimand as if I handed in the wrong homework assignment. Sorry for the sarcastic tone but... 

all this was covered in a PM to you and not ONLINE. You DID, offline, request that we RECLASSIFY or change the NEW TOPIC’s  category.

However, it was obvious that the required SEARCH, prior to posting or starting a new topic was not done.  There were no warnings nor were you moderated.

Had you followed the guidelines and done a simple CARB search, then it is assumed that the post would have been made to the existing topic. It was less than a month old and already had 82 posts.  Therefore, your post was moved and there was not new topic allowed.  That is how it works...  any UPDATES or comments about CARB should be in the ongoing or original, and fairly new, topic.  This is how the site was set up and how the staff has been moderated from day one.

Sorry that the PM response, which was made about 2 weeks ago is now upsetting you.

The correct manner that the staff expects is a response to a PM is a PM and not an online,  “sarcastic”  one…as you just stated.

Let’s move on and please follow the “search first guidelines” in the future.

Thanks….

A picture of the panel will help to identify the model. 

Just talked to my AC guy and he agreed to do the repair later this week. Said he knows what to do. More to follow. 
Don

In my front drivers side electrical bay I have a 7.5 amp fuse for Aux Start, which I believe is for that switch. 

36 minutes ago, daveyjo said:

In an effort to recharge my starting batteries quickly, I engaged the switch the connects that connects the chassis battery with the coach battery (the one that helps you start the coach when the starting battery needs help).  I guess that's called the battery boost switch.  Anyway, something got lodged under it and kept it engaged and now it won't work.  It used to light up when engaged, but not any more, and it doesn't connect the 2 systems anymore.  I can't find a schematic that shows it.  I can't find a fuse for it (I probably don't recognize what it is called) and need help troubleshooting it.  Help.

Dave

2005 HR Scepter.

That BOOST SWITCH (check the explanation in your manual) was designed, as a safety to prevent damage to the “Big BOY”. It was never designed for continuous duty.  In fact, holding it on for more than the prescribed amount of time does this.  When the Big Boy is operated by the BIRD Module, there is a pulsed or lower voltage signal.  In your MH, similar to mine, the voltage is close 3.5 VDC.  The boost switch, sends out a FULL 12 VDC.  The coil on the Big Boy is NOT rated nor designed for full or continous 12 VDC.  Typically the coil heats up and shorts or burns up,

Many of the OTHER sites recommends “shoving a golf tee under it”.  There ARE some boost solenoids that operate with a full 12 VDC….not the Intellitec 200A (yes, the 100 Amp does…but odds are, you have the 200 A.

If the fuse is blown…odds are….the current draw….as in the current got way too high.  

Locate fhe fuse.  See your manual. DID YOU GET OUT WHAT JAMMED IT ON?

If the fuse blows again….the Big Boy is probably TOAST. Easy replacement.  Two nuts and two terminals.  Amazon has them.

there is a current thread    White Rodgers (XXXXXX pn).  Find it.

I just posted how to trouble shoot the solenoid…but my suspicion….it is fried.  The current spiked and that popped the boost fuse.  New solenoid, but you can test.  Put in a new fuse and follow the instructions.

Good luck….let us know…we all learn

I have a 2007 Endeavor 40PDQ.  Entry steps extend properly, but when retracting, the motor doesn't stop running.  Is there a limit switch that stops the motor when the steps fully retract?

So i am a bit late in contacting you on this did you find the TripTek Model 3000?

4 hours ago, Tom Cherry said:

YES and NO.  You have a Battery BOOST Solenoid.  ALL Monaco's DO.  Yours is the Trombetta.  White-Rodgers was also used...maybe some other brands.

NOW....when Monaco started using the Intellitec System, then the NAME BIG BOY was applied (or was the Solenoid) so a vast majority call the BOOST a Big Boy.  Like saying that all tissues are Kleenex.

Here is the print.  

That Solenoid has TWO functions.  The White Rodgers Solenoid does the SAME THING.  It connects the banks together.  ONE when you PRESS and HOLD the Batt Boost Switch up front.  The OTHER...for CHARGING....

OK...NOW is where it GETS TRICKY.  There is SOME type of "Charging Control" circuit.  But the prints that we have are not complete and Monaco did NOT do a good job on what they gave out.

Your BLOCK diagram has the SOLENOID between the TWO BATTERIES.  Trombetta.  (or maybe White Rodgers....it was dealer's Choice).

OK...now read what is on page 213....  The first three or four sentences (Monaco will NOT let me copy from their PDF) say it all.  You have a BIRD (BiDirectional Charing System).  When you DRIVE....the House is Charged.  When you are parked and on AC or Genny, the Chassis is charged. 

NOW...what does this?  Probably an Intellitec part.  It MAY be in the black panel that you have to open.  It probably looks like this...

2005 - 2007 maybe higher AUX starting Solenoid Print.pdf 34.93 kB · 0 downloads

My head just exploded.

CARB is starting to communicate well.

Received this in my inbox this AM:

I remember that Roadmaster chassis was not part of the original bankruptcy purchase. The new owners panicked as they were afraid that they would be responsible for any recalls. The Judge for the sale of assets added Roadmaster to the list.zI have used bankruptcy and receivership as interchangeable. It really is different. But the company was not sold. Only assets. There was a lot of information and rumours on the old IRV site. For instance: Someone from Navistar was appointed to Monaco's board of directors before Monaco went under.  There were a number of unsold and partially completed units included in the assets. I think the real estate was also included. I do not know what happened to the campgrounds that Monaco owned in the USA and Australia. Navistar sold a warehouse of legacy parts along with the parts manuals to Northwest RV . When Rev acquired Fleetwood they honoured existing warranties  and kept the "good old boys" that provided tech support. Rev might have been Allied at that time. Monaco owners got zip.

I have not been home yet actually. I should be home about the middle of August. If you wanna reach out then.

On 1/26/2023 at 11:31 PM, Jared Ennis said:

ISO part #'s for front rotors & pads for the RR10S chassis. We recently bought an ’06 Monaco Executive Rainier IV 500HP where the previous owner must have been a bit brake happy. I have the parts for the rear, but am needing some help sourcing front rotors and pads. The data card shows the front axle is a Spicer E1462W. I’ve searched but haven’t found a part # for the S-10. Does anyone have this handy? Thanks in advance!

We're you able to locate new rotors, I have a 07 Monaco Dynasty with the same axel and need rotors. 

Jim

John C - is there room to run rigid or flexible electrical conduit down the back of the refrigerator?

I found the fuse.  The fuse is OK (5 amp Aux start).  The solenoid coil measures about 9 ohms, so it appears OK.  Tom, the switch is no longer jammed on.  So I am still stumped.  Any more ideas?  Maybe the relevant fuse has some other name?

When you get to repairing/replacing your HWH aux air compressor it is a Thomas 405ADC 12v compressor.  They are available from HWH and northwest RV supply, but very expensive.  

I've found the best source for the Thomas air compressor is eBay.  A new pump is slightly over $400, but you can also purchase rebuild kits.  

You can also install other less expensive air compressors if you adapt the wiring and plumbing.  but most of these are very loud at 2am.  

If you raise your coach all the way up on the air suspension you can look over the top of the passenger side rear tires and see the pump assembly hanging from the underside of the coach. 

Is Roadmaster chassis related to Freightliner?
hex_nut 13 hours ago