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9 hours ago, 96 EVO said:

Yes.

I don't think Valid was dumb enough to allow air that didn't go thru the air dryer get to the chassis air tanks, but I don't know that for sure.

I'd like to hear Frank's take on this! 

Think again.  I do NOT know how prevalent this was in any other models.  BUT....go here.  Scroll down to yesterday's post.  There is a link to topic that I posted several years ago.

Frank helped me out with this way back when and we talked, offline, about it yesterday.  The GIST.

He originally thought that it was 2007 when the AUX Compressor was changed to one with a built in Air Dryer.  If you click on the older link, which was a "FWIW Warning Topic" about the 2007 Dynasty, it details the situation and the tests we ran and the eventual fix..  The compressor's air dryer failed, a common....how common...don't know.?...but KNOWN issue.  The owner ended up with at least a gallon of water in the rear tank.  Fortunately, the brake system was not contaminated.  Josams did the repairs and replaced the Compressor and all is well.

HOWEVER, I just pulled the 2006 Dynasty manual...and it appears that the 06 Dynasty (which included the HR and Monaco Dynasty/Imperial and UP models) did NOT have a note about draining the tank on the Aux Compressor.  Our Camelot/Scepter have, or at least mine does, the Aux Compressor up front and there is a small tank and drain valve there.

in 2008, Monaco added or went back to the normal, NON AIR DRYER, Aux Compressor as well as a separate tank.  Frank's 2008 has TWO fitting in the engine compartment... It is also attached... so there is a drain for the Rear Tank and the Aux Compressor Tank from there.

SO.  I'll leave to to the experts....but assuming that the 06 and 07 Aux Compressors were VALID and have the internal Air Dryer......then this is a know issue where water can and has gotten into the Rear tank and also possibly contaminated the braking system.

Hope this clears it up.  AS TO THE RATIONALE...  WHO KNOWS...but this is reality.

2008 Dynasty Air Drain FItting Locations.pdf 2006 Dynasty Air Drain Fitting Locations.pdf

UPDATE.  There is a "similar" topic going...  It APPEARS that Monaco MIGHT have used the AUX Compressor with the built in air dryer in 2006 (Dynasty/imperial and up).

I printed out both pages from the manual.  SO...just a heads up.  if a Dynasty owner only has ONE fitting for the REAR tank in the back...and there is NO SMALL AIR TANK with a fitting near the pump....then keep an eye and drain the rear tank regularly.  My friend that had the issue with the 2007 defective pump got out maybe a gallon of water.  FORTUNATELY, the braking system was not contaminated, but Josams pulled lines and inspected.

NOW...  on other models such as the Camelots, the pumps are up front and there is a small tank with a drain valve.

Hope this clarifies it.... Here are the 2006 and 2008 pages from the manual which explain where and how many and what to drain.

2008 Dynasty Air Drain FItting Locations.pdf 2006 Dynasty Air Drain Fitting Locations.pdf

Thanks for clarifying the ARP.  There was a MAJOR discussion on this at least 10 years ago. The proponent of it....among others... was, I THINK, Bill Groves. He was a persistent cuss, God Bless his stubborn soul and would research things.  This was also during the preponderance of RV fires, 95% attributable to the Norcold.  TO DATE and my MEMORY, we have never had a FIRE or such from the Dometic 1402, which was the "UPGRADE" that Monaco put in the Camelot...and maybe the Dynasty rather than the Norcold.

Mine came with the Dometic. 

The crux is this.  The Norcold's RECALL DEVICE...if you read the 4 files in the NORCOLD "File" in the Files section go in to details.  ARP and it's website offer their own "explanations".  Whether all their claims and such are PR or FACT....that is up to an individual to sort through.  If you google ARP NORCOLD FIX....there are at least 10 hits on other sites and the debate and comments reminds me of two politicians that are "GOING TO FIX" a major problem...but have totally different approaches.

In addition, and I don't know the time line...  The ARP folks have expanded the scope of their products.  Early in in 2010, a fellow Camelot owner and myself experimented with a "Table Top" version of the Fantastic Vent Fan.  Fantastic sold them and CW stocked them.  We added the supplement exhaust fan to the upper vent and also changed out....as in LOWERED the operating temperature....but using the Norcold snap disk instead of the higher temperature OEM Dometic.  I know that at least 10 or more older members did the same thing and all reported an improvement in cooling.

Some members also tapped into the existing Norcold Fan circuit...and added fans to the roof vent.  Dr4 Film, I THINK....did the same thing.

THEN ARP started expanding their product line and now offers the same "concept".  if you read the other posts....there are some interesting stories about how much and how "intense" adding the additional cooling fans were.  The bottom line.  Whether you blow air UP around the burner (and Dometic said, when I talked to them....DO NOT DO THIS...it will impact the BURNER operation).....which is what ARP does.... OR

If you add Supplemental exhaust to the upper stack or flue.....  The end result.  The performance improves.

NOW....having said that.  IN MY CASE....the reality or such of the Dometic started to hit circa 2015. The performance dropped way off and it was NOT the same unit that I souped up in 2010.  Therefore....after a LOT OF testing and talking to several well know Gas Refer techs....  I concluded that the system must have a "leak" or that something was amiss in the controls....but the diagnostics did NOT indicated that.

My criteria was simple.  How long...on say an 85 deg day, does it take to cool down the Dometic.  Then, when you load in cold (from the fridge) drinks and other items, how long does it take to recover?  My "Non Engineer" but logic wife summed it up.  I can't buy all the cold stuff I need when we are out....and do my once per 5 or 8 days replenishment.  If I bring home all those...and put it in the Dometic, it takes 24 hours for the ice cream to "HARDEN" again.

THAT was the bottom line.

SO, if the Dometic or a Norcold is working and cooling and recovering properly...  GREAT.  But if it is waning....then additional exhaust (per Dometic...not updraft) may be recommended...and EFFECTIVE..  BUT if NOT...then the refrigeration portion...assuming the controls are OK....is failing...  NOW...when does that failure turn into a concern?  THERE IN lies the dilemma....and the CONCERNS FOR SAFETY.

Replace the ignition switch! Short while after buying my new to me rig an before i installed the fass system it would crank alot before it would fire, i replaced the switch an it has not had a issue since

I am guessing the Bravo spin up kit on nose wheel was to lessen likely hood of gravel ingestion fin engines?

Yes that is correct. I am now flying a Pilatus PC24 that is certified for dirt, gravel, grass and unimproved strips. It has a nose wheel fender that looks about like a catchers mitt.

Well i went to the 109 FMCA CONVENTION, asside from geeking out at the seminars, i found myself in front of the blue ox booth, an faster than you can count the change im now the owner of a new tow bar… Then of course i had to order the base plate for my 2003 F150 which of course had to be ordered, the next week i get a phone call stating they dont have any in stock an though they have tools an plans they tell me it wont ship out till Oct 22, 2024. So much for the thrill of getting rid of my tow dolly🤦‍♂️ 

Considering that it’s a 20 yr old truck I would imagine that have to make the baseplate

They finished cleaning and flushing my radiator. Said the outside was the worst they had ever seen. At least I’m #1 in something. They even cleaned it twice. I’m sure cooling is much improved so I think I’ll go to 7# cap. Does anyone have an opinion on whether I should try to seal those brass fittings? I turned them but never met resistance. They appear to not have a stop. I would be afraid of any kind of tape but I have read that some used a spray sealant on cracks in these tanks. I plan on going steel or aluminum but that will be at least a couple of months. 

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